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, it's more about that thanes the about some sort of traditional belief and religion. >> we can tell, we can see around you, people are mourning, but when you talk to them, what is the sense of loss? what are they mourning? >> reporter: they're of course mourning nelson mandela, but mandela was like a mirror, he reflected back to south africa, what they want to be, what this nation imagined itself to be. perhaps an idealistic vision, an complicated often -- very visionary leadership we saw in mandel l.a. you spoke about it a little bit earlier. he really played the long game, didn't he? he looked ahead, he planned, he was a man who really thought about being a symbol of rec reconciliati reconciliation. now compare that to president zuma whose leadership and whose government seems to lurch from crisis to crisis, there seems to be an overwhelming focus on scandals or the personal enrichment whether it's linked to president zuma or those close to him. according to many south africans there's a real current in this current government of the trappings of power, of using the state to furth
traditional belief in religion. >> we can see around you people are mourning, but when you talk to them, what is the sense of loss? what are they mourning? >> reporter: you know, they are, of course, mourning nelson mandela, but just remember mandela was like a mirror. he reflected back to south africa what they wanted to be, what this nation imagined itself to be. perhaps an idealistic vision. today 20 years later, this is a very complicated, often divided at times nation. now, what they also i think are mourning is that very vision of leadership we saw in mandela. you spoke about it a little earlier. he really played the long he? he looked ahead. he planned. he was a tactician, a pragmatist. he was a man who really thought about being a symbol of reconciliation. compare that with president zuma whose leadership and whose government seems to lurch from crisis to crisis. there seems to be an overwhelming focus on scandals over personal enrichment, whether it's president zuma or those close to him. they seem to have according to many south africans, there is a real focus of this current gover
was running for commander in chief. his religion, his faith, has to be reflected in how he lives his life. that's a much more important approach for the folks in the political arena to take. >> kevin, a.b., van, thanks so much for being with us on this monday. really appreciate it. >>> coming up for us next on "the lead," we'll be right back. no, a rookie in the nba is making millions but thanks to his mother, he's not able to spend any of it. that's our sports lead. la's known definitely for its traffic, congestion, for the smog. but there are a lot of people that do ride the bus. and now that the buses are running on natural gas, they don't throw out as much pollution into the air. so i feel good. i feel like i'm doing my part to help out the environment. to help secure retirements and protect financial futures. to help communities recover and rebuild. for companies going from garage to global. on the ground, in the air, even into space. we repaid every dollar america lent us. and gave america back a profit. we're here to keep our promises. to help you realize a better tomorrow. from th
have identified whiidentify which people. owe 'people. this was his religion. >> we, you are absolutely right. even though he went through chechen prison, whenever people from different denominations came in, they obviously wanted to see him, so he would go and sit and listen very attentively. that was yet another of mandela's personas. >> as a politician, let's end with this. one of the most remarkable things was when there was a changeover in power, ordinarily, you wipe out who was there. especially under conditions like apartheid. how did he sell the idea of keeping africanos in government, how did he make that okay with the african people? >> i think personally at a fundamental level, he recognized that africanos were south africans just like everyone of us. that's a lessen he learned in prison and emphasized in prison. he had a cordial relationship and we learned from him. the most important message who to trust, please dobi don't be consumed by hatred. it no cusses on the wrong things. that's a message he carried outside of prison. amazing, he was able to carry huge numbers of peo
religion. it's not that you have to be a historically disadvantaged member of the class but you are treated differently because of your membership in a particular class. >> isn't harassment harassment. you don't have to be a protected class member to be harassed? >> no, not at all. that has to be based on, for example, in this case, based on gender. you were subjected to a hostile environment, a pervasive environment. remember, the courts will not find hostile environment where it's just a random conversation or if it's just flirtation. they identify the difference between a one-time comment and a pervasive environment. they will say, as in this case, because someone has used the "p" word, is that what we'll call it? >> yes. >> it is a gender specific epithet. >> it is. >> i would feel like that's a gender-based epithet. that tends to lean the other way. each of these is a different case. >> even if she cannot win the argument on the protected class argument she's making, do you think that they, the group of employees, male employees, can win their argument? >> great question. let's say tha
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